this is a continuation of an earlier post entitled the God in my box.
one of the most difficult dilemmas in my life right now is the debate over how to treat the bible. it's true that i live in one of the most adamantly christian nations on earth, and to add to that i am surrounded by people who are convinced that the protestant bible is the infallible word of God. this is how i grew up.
this dumpster has an incredibly difficult lid as well. just don't read into it too much. |
i was taught to believe "in the beginning.." and "for God so loved..." before i could form sentences on my own, and these are among the verses that i vehemently defended until a year ago. thankfully, life experiences have recently prompted me to ask some very specific questions.
it seems very obvious to me now that the belief system i once subscribed to is built on a series of half truths and convenient assumptions, which would not hold up against a little critical thinking and solid reasoning. how about yours?
while this entire issue may seem irrelevant to many, i have found it very valuable to have an ongoing discussion regarding the evolution of my stance on belief and religion with those around me. it has helped me to think critically and stay sane.
would you like to join the discussion? the following are just
three of the main reasons that i simply could not give up my faith in the bible as higher truth for so very long. enjoy! (and feel free to disagree in the comment box below)
three myths i whole-heartedly believed about the bible
(1) inerrancy
the argument for the inerrancy of scriptures was initially taught to me in apologist form. i had already embraced the biblical texts as the highest from of truth due to songs and mantras that i learned in sunday school and at home. in reality, i believed in inerrancy of the scriptures chiefly because of vacation bible school songs like "i believe the bible is the word of God."
when i actually did learn the basis for our belief in divinely inspired and uncompromised nature of the bible, it was in fragmentary form. archaeological evidence was referenced in passing. the cohesiveness of the texts
(addressed below)
was invoked. by far the most compelling reason i was given was that literally billions of people have embraced the christian faith over literally thousands of years.
how could two billion christians be wrong? there are a billion muslims who can tell you exactly how.
i remember asking my mother why certain books were chosen for inclusion in the bible while others were left out. she replied that by the time of the council of nicea (325 ad, when the bible as we know it was assembled), it was obvious which books had changed people's lives and which had not. and this answer sticks with me to this day.
in a certain sense my mom was right; belief in the inerrancy of the bible does change people's lives. but i would argue that you can take any book and bestow upon it the status of higher truth, wholeheartedly living according to the (real or imagined) principles contained in it. there is no doubt that that book will change your life.
(2) morality
maybe the biggest misnomer about the biblical texts is that they are collectively expressive of a set of transcendent values. for years
i have heard
from parents, church leaders and friends who i studied the bible with that the bible never contradicts itself.
this is categorically untrue. there are so many contradictions within the current biblical texts that the problem of agreeing on an interpretation for application has started actual wars.
this one task occupies the minds of millions of intelligent scholars around the globe, and has preoccupied millions more for literally sixteen hundred years. their failure is testified to by the existence of thousands of distinct christian groups, many antagonistic and some willing violently prejudiced against each other.
for years, when i would point out a contradiction in the biblical texts i was studying, my friends or family or family members would point to a lack of faith on my part. sometimes they would follow this by expressing their concern that i was looking for a reason to ignore the moral standards in the bible.
however, my motivation for questioning the veracity of the biblical texts wasn't always motivated by an irrational and nihilistic rebellion. much to the contrary, my greatest motivation was often genuine desire to understand what is true about the world, about God.
in a structure of belief that depends on the interpretation of the biblical morals as a basis for community, questions like mine were outside of the scope of discussion.
i think this is why it took me until long after i left the church to establish a clear line of thinking about the possibility of a transcendent moral structure throughout the scriptures.
it was only after i left the church that i was able to take more seriously the observation that the biblical authors are saying radically different things. there actually didn't seem to be much of a continuous thread uniting them...
(3) cohesiveness
and this brings me to the most prevalent myth of all. i was previously convinced of the notion that the biblical texts represented a whole document that revealed God's unfolding plan of redemption to humanity.
the trouble is that these texts do not appear to be written by God, but by several people over the course of more than a thousand years. there can be no cohesiveness of the biblical texts as a whole for the same reason that we have failed over the centuries to successfully extract a coherent moral structure from the these books. these notions have traditionally been read into the text, but the reality they assert doesn't intrinsically manifest itself to the critical reader.
there is no transcendent take-home message - probably because no such message was intended.
to sum up
if you think about it, none of the aforementioned myths have solid foundations in the biblical texts in the first place. the biblical texts never claim to be part of a cohesive 66-part volume; and no author could make the claim that their writings would not contradict those of the other authors, because many of them didn't even know about each other. it's true that a few of the canonized authors make claims regarding the supernatural inspiration of their books, but the vast majority do not.
i confess that i don't express as much faith as i once did. but i actually look at this as a good thing. my faith was not primarily in God, or even the bible, but in culturally absorbed myths about the bible.
but what should we believe? or is faith obsolete?
i have no answers to these questions. but maybe we have over-focused on belief out of convenience or out of fear. maybe we have made too many (or too few) conclusions. whatever the case, i suggest we take a closer look at what we believe to start with.
as ever,
joel
Philippians 2:10. “So that at the name of Jesus,every knee shall bow, of those who are in heaven and on earth and under the earth, and every tongue shall confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.” I am praying that Jesus will reveal himself to you, like he did to Paul, and invite you bow before him to confess him as your Lord. “That if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in you heart that God has raised him from the death, you will be saved.”Romans 10:10. John Pyles
ReplyDelete@grandpa: thank you so much for the prayers! : )
ReplyDeleteHey, I want to wade in!
ReplyDeleteYou were fairly general during your critique of inerrancy, so I'll answer generally with the explanation of the whole canonization process that I once heard, read, and believe. (I'm sorry, but your mom's answer wasn't cutting it for me!): http://www.desiringgod.org/resource-library/seminars/why-we-believe-the-bible-part-1#WhichBooks
I admit that I couldn't even begin to check the validity or accuracy of this explanation. I only accept it because it seems rational and I don't desire to invest that kind of time into really digging, maybe you will though.
Point #2- It is my belief that any seeming contradiction in a biblical text can be reconciled reasonably. I cannot claim that I can or have worked through every one of them, but I have done so to a number of texts. I don't believe the Bible because everything in it makes sense to me; I believe the Bible because the life and person of Jesus Christ is undeniably true. I think that I'd be foolish to completely depend on my logic (which has got me in a lot of trouble over my lifetime) to correctly navigate every nook and cranny of what is or isn't true. If it was predicted for thousands of years through hundreds of prophecies (some of which are nearly impossible to fulfill)that God would come down and live among men, and one man came and fulfilled all of them, (Even dying and coming back to life!)I'm gonna listen to every word He says, He obviously knows more about life and death than I do!
As far as all of the disagreements leading to schisms, wars, and other atrocities, I say this: You can give a monkey a 2 year old's doodle or a Da Vinci painting, and ultimately he's gonna tear them both up. The quality of the item cannot always be judged by the human response to it! Rappers Soulja Boi and Waka Flocka Flame are going to get more youtube views, have more sales, and ultimately be more popular than say, classical and jazz trumpeter Wynton Marsalis for reasons we may never truly know! Does that mean that they are better musicians or more artistic? Hell no! In fact, I'd argue that whatever things have the greatest capacity for good in our world also have the greatest capacity for evil.
"in a structure of belief that depends on the interpretation of the biblical morals as a basis for community, questions like mine were outside of the scope of discussion."
ReplyDeleteI'm sorry that you came up in a place like that, but the truth is that the communities Jesus demonstrated were just the opposite of that and many churches fail to realize it, you have my sympathy.
"it was only after i left the church that i was able to take more seriously the observation that the biblical authors are saying radically different things. there actually didn't seem to be much of a continuous thread uniting them..."
Interesting claim, I'd like to see examples (and not just two scriptures compared outside of their context please).
And Point #3- "there can be no cohesiveness of the biblical texts as a whole for the same reason that we have failed over the centuries to successfully extract a coherent moral structure from the these books."
I strongly disagree, that's like saying that The US Constitution doesn't have a coherent moral structure because Supreme Court members often disagree on its interpretation, causing warring political parties, and spurring us keep on adding amendments to the Bill of Rights just to make it seem like there is a thread.
That's foolishness!
We know that there is one! Even though each of the Founding Fathers had their own opinions and viewpoints, the documents themselves reflect a common unity of ideas. That's why we have to wrestle so hard to interpret them well. We all understand life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness; that much they all agreed on. But what do those things mean for children in low income housing? How about single mothers? Politicians? Immigrants? How about the wealthy?There are specific ways to apply those concepts in each of those situations, but since they weren't laid out to that specificity, we ask ourselves,"How would the founding fathers see this?" If there was no common thread or overarching truth, then we wouldn't even ask that question, right? Even though our answers may come out slightly differently and we may never agree, we should still find unity under the transcendent truths.
It may be a weird thing to do, but I want to thank you for really making me think hard about this stuff, it's really a healthy thing for all of us to do. I look forward to your response (and I understand if it takes a while)!
@michael: those are some great thoughts! i'll try to engage them the best i can.
ReplyDelete"...digging, maybe you will though."
- true, i would love to study this for years on end. a good friend spent his college years examining this topic, and we've chatted a lot about it. we could have a group skype chat sometime, if that sounds worthwhile... added to the list! i will check out that link : )
"I believe the Bible because the life and person of Jesus Christ is undeniably true."
- as you know from our conversations, i believe in the person of Jesus Christ also. is it the next logical step, then, to believe, in the abovementioned ways, in the bible?
"I think that I'd be foolish to completely depend on my logic (which has got me in a lot of trouble over my lifetime) to correctly navigate every nook and cranny of what is or isn't true."
- this makes a lot of sense to me. believing it has created, whether real or simply mis-perceived, a deep need in me. i like to think of it in Hope-full terms, as a potential space for God.
"If it was predicted for thousands of years through hundreds of prophecies (some of which are nearly impossible to fulfill)that God would come down and live among men, and one man came and fulfilled all of them, (Even dying and coming back to life!)I'm gonna listen to every word He says, He obviously knows more about life and death than I do!"
- are you defending the validity of the myth that God wrote the bible on the grounds that God wrote it? i don't disagree with you that the prophecies about Jesus came true, or even that God inspired them. but divine inspiration is not necessarily evidence for inerrancy.
"I'd argue that whatever things have the greatest capacity for good in our world also have the greatest capacity for evil."
- maybe so. my argument is against the mythology surrounding the treatment of the text. the assumption of a divine plan that relies on human interpretation of a piece of literature to carry out the Kingdom seems ridiculous. we are obviously rap-watching and art-destroying monkeys.
" strongly disagree, that's like saying that The US Constitution doesn't have a coherent moral structure because Supreme Court members often disagree on its interpretation, causing warring political parties, and spurring us keep on adding amendments to the Bill of Rights just to make it seem like there is a thread."
- i'm pretty sure my quote was taken out of context. i'm sorry i wasn't able to be clearer.
i am so glad that yo wrote all of this. i'm looking forward to your responses, and to learning more about your perspective : )
Okay! Back! I wrote an entire response about 3 days ago only to have a load error and watch it all disappear. That pissed me off lol, anyways... Onward. I'll respond to you in the order that your challenges are presented.
ReplyDeleteThe Bible is the primary source about the life of Jesus Christ, the New Testament having been written by those who walked with him (with the exception of Paul who was still recorded as handpicked by Luke and commended by Peter). So if Jesus says He is God, and He instructs these men to record what He said and did for generations to come, I would think that it should be accurate. Essentially, if we trust Jesus, and Jesus trusts them, shouldn't we?
That space is real, and I hope that He uses even these conversations begin filling it! And some good news to you, I have them too.
Inspiration doesn't guarantee inerrancy? Good point, I haven't thoroughly considered that! I suppose I've always seen God's involvement as evidence of perfection, but now that I really think about it, if that were true, then you and I would be perfect, because He's certainly involved in our lives, huh? Haha, well played Joel! I'll have to dig deeper for that one!
We are most certainly rap-watching art-destroying monkeys! (Although I'm burdened to say that not all rap is utterly devoid of truth or beauty) It would be foolish for a divine plan to need us to be figured out! You're right! That's why Jesus came though, isn't it? He laid out that divine plan in not so many words! He was the perfect revelation of God's will! (The Bible even says that!) If we can read the entire Bible through the scope of His words then we are simply more fully understanding that plan. It's like you and I living together for years and getting to know each other and then reading each others favorite books or favorite movies to understand each other that much more deeply.
No problem about the misunderstanding bro. Hopefully one day we'll both be able to understand each other a little better.